dadadanny sent: What are your thoughts about an INTJ and an INFJ being in a romantic relationship? Do you see any potential problematic situations or snags?

I am very, very, very sorry this is only being replied to now. So in order to try and make up for this, I will give as much detail as possible. But on the whole, I bloody ship it!

Okay, so I’m not sure if you are an INFJ or INTJ so I’ll try to stay balanced but of course I will talk more about INFJ’s. I don’t feel comfortable talking about INTJ’s as I’m sure one of my followers will be better equipped to give a more detailed response than I am. 

Anyway, to an INFJ, the INTJ is very easy to talk to. I guess because we share the same dominant function. They seem to know a lot about the world in general, which I appreciate. My INTJ friend appreciates my insight into people and she says that she likes having someone to talk to about it. And all her feels xD

Both types are naturally patient with each other, it’s very nice because even a little understanding goes a long way.

But of course, I bet you’re more interested in where it might go wrong?

Yes, there will be problems and snags. Mainly in the Fe/Te department. I suppose it’s because both functions are extroverted. But my INTJ friend likes to put her plans into action… I honestly, don’t care about that side much. I just like to talk about my problems, I don’t want to fix them. But I appreciate that my INTJ takes time out to help me come up with solutions that actually work! I just find I always lose interest in taking her up on them very quickly. This might offend her, I don’t know. But I hope it doesn’t.

Another thing I might add is INFJ/INTJ debating. Jesus, I don’t think there isn’t any NT who is cautious about debating an NF because we get so emotionally attached. It’s true, we are more susceptible to taking things personally. I did a little digging into human psychology and what not to see why this may be and the best I can come up with is INFJ’s are probably more susceptible to emotional hijacking. If this happens, be assured you have personally offended the INFJ in question. It may not be what was said at that particular moment in time, but it will be something you have done that is relevant to this topic at hand. In order to not fall victim of the INFJ wrath, let them cool down. Seriously. This mode is a primitive “fight or flight” mode so all access to their logical brain has been cut off as the emotional brain has hijacked the controls. Do not use personal pronouns - as then you have opened the door to personal attacks - and just stop arguing and walk away if you must. When they have calmed down, you can resume the topic of discussion logically and civilly. But if you try and reason with anyone who’s under emotional hijack, they will rip you apart personally. In this kind of mental state, you are the enemy so they must attack. And unfortunately it is here people say things they often regret immediately after, so just don’t let it get that far.

Hate to sound dramatic but that’s just how the emotional brain works.

Hope that helps and best of luck!

Dr Dario Nardi is doing an AMA on Reddit soon!!!

This might be of interest to anyone who wants to learn more about the functions! Check it out!

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Reply to “INXJs and Arrogance”

continuousinitiation replied to your post: INXJs and Arrogance.

I know an INFJ who seems really logical but has some illogical ideas that he holds a firm ground to. INTJs are definitely more logical IME, easier to debate with etc. But I love INFJs :)

Everyone loves INFJs lol!

No but seriously, as an INFJ I am told very often I’m “illogical” but in the end, I am still proven right (though this could just be confirmation bias at play) so I don’t really care. As far as I’m concerned, people are NOT logical, so when I build up my people based systems, a lot of my beliefs will reflect that.

asongofopposites replied to your post: Reply to “INXJs and Arrogance”

INTJs are more logical because Te. INFJs will firmly hold illogical ideas because of Fe which is objective, but will seem more logical in other ways because of Tert Ti which they often use in conjuction with Ni (NiTI) and bypass the Fe function.

Yeah I kind of agree with this, but to an extent. INTJs are more logical because Te in itself is a very methodical function, but the idea that INFJs hold on to ideas because they seem more logical in other ways doesn’t really make sense and that’s not what I have experienced. I find that when people call me illogical it’s because I don’t necessarily explain myself well. Ti being my tertiary function, I seriously lack the ability to objectively and thoroughly explain why I come to the conclusions that I do (this may be different for other INFJs, of course I am not a spokes person for every INFJ). Once I have been given the chance to think about what it is I am trying to say precisely and then say it, most people follow my logic and agree with me. Often with a “GEEZ THAT MAKES AN ALARMING AMOUNT OF SENSE” type of remark. I find it really funny especially when my ENTP friend does that. And my INTP friend too!

INXJs and Arrogance.

There’s an interesting thread on Personality Cafe at the minute which is basically trying to establish that INFJs are just as “arrogant” as INTJs. I don’t think arrogant is the right word. I think “stubborn” is better and this post sums up why 

[…]INFJs and INTJs are both quite stubborn in their positions. Usually because these types are correct so often. They each take situations and digest them in objective manners, forming analytic frameworks from which to give sound judgments. INFJs are adept at factoring human elements objectively through Fe. INTJs are adept at factoring in logical, more traditionally scientific elements through Te.

What does this mean?

It means that when someone is trying to approach an IN_J with a new idea or one contrary to their way of thinking, that person has to really REALLY know their stuff and be able to prove it 6 Ways from Sunday to even have the slimmest chance of changing the IN_J’s mind.

I also find that I need time to assimilate the new data before I really know where I stand on the issue. My intuition might suggest an answer right away, but I still want time to run it through my previously-constructed system before I’m ready to deliver my final personal judgment.

Illustration:

If an INTJ presents me with a recommended course of action, but can’t answer (to my satisfaction) questions related to how it will effect the people involved in the situation, I’m going to reject a lot of what the INTJ says to me.

If I try to present something to my INTJ brother, but fail to adequately answer his logical/scientific concerns, I’m just beating my head against a brick wall, no matter how passionately I speak.

Honestly, we’re both incredibly stubborn types.

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Introverted Intuition: Carl Jung

dustmirage:

The peculiar nature of introverted intuition, when given the priority, also produces a peculiar type of man, viz. the mystical dreamer and seer on the one hand, or the fantastical crank and artist on the other. The latter might be regarded as the normal case, since there is a general tendency of this type to confine himself to the perceptive character of intuition. As a rule, the intuitive stops at perception; perception is his principal problem, and—in the case of a productive artist—the shaping of perception. But the crank contents himself with the intuition by which he himself is shaped and determined. Intensification of intuition naturally often results in an extraordinary aloofness of the individual from tangible reality; he may even become a complete enigma to his own immediate circle.

If an artist, he reveals extraordinary, remote things in his art, which in iridescent profusion embrace both the significant and the banal, the lovely and the grotesque, the whimsical and the sublime. If not an artist, he is frequently an unappreciated genius, a great man ‘gone wrong’, a sort of wise simpleton, a figure for ‘psychological’ novels.

Source.

INXXs: Why do you think this is?

A friend of mine said something to me that both Quel and I have both noticed but can’t seem to explain, I’m wondering if anyone else might be able to…?

Anyway, my friend said that Perceivers are more affectionate and open than Judgers on the whole.

I totally agree with this, but I have no idea why. Anyone?

A Discussion on Ambiverts.

There are all sorts of opinions written in here, it’s an interesting read.

The BEST Description of Fe vs Fi…

posted by littlemegan and found here: 

If “T” prioritizes what is factually right or correct, “F” prioritizes what is ideologically right or best — not T = “rational” vs. F =”emotional.” Focusing on F, is your ideology relative [Fe], or is your ideology universal [Fi]?

Suppose someone is upset over a breakup. Is your response: “What will help this single person deal with this particular break up? [Fe]” or “Let’s figure out the ideal way to deal with break ups! [Fi]”?

Fe has a descriptivist preoccupation: What is this person doing? How does he/she feel?

Fe is more likely to care about people as individuals. They probably tend to listen. They care about happiness — currently. This is why Fe people are known as the harmonizers and collaborators. They are flexible and willing to adapt their beliefs to the current situation. You will find Fe people saying that they act completely differently around different people; for example: they might be willing to tell a racist joke with Barney but will decry racist jokes with Fran, and if Barney and Fran are in the same room, they will change the subject. Fe might be better at expressing and sharing feelings in the moment. Fe people may tend to enjoy interaction for the opportunity to see things from a different point of view and experience life vicariously through another person’s choices. They are always asking, “How can I make this moment the best moment it can be for everyone involved?”

Fi has a prescriptivist preoccupation: What should people do? Why do they feel a certain way?

Fi is more likely to care about people as a population. They probably tend to give advice. They care about happiness — generally. This is why Fi people are… Gandhi. They are willing to confront, argue, and fight for their beliefs. They only modify their ideology deliberately. If Fi people don’t like racist jokes, they will never like racist jokes, unless someone convinces them to like racist jokes, and then they will always like racist jokes — and so should everyone else. Fi might tend to bottle their actual emotions until they have evaluated them through their ideology and deemed them worthy. Fi people may enjoy interaction for the opportunity to admire someone and learn lessons about life vicariously through another person’s choices. They are always asking, “What is there to gain from this that will refine my philosophy of life or make me a better person?”

If Fe is all about community, Fi is all about integrity. If Fe is about socialization, Fi is about moralization. If Fe cares about your day, Fi cares about your character.

Opinions? Thoughts? Anyone?

The Difference Between Introverted and Extroverted Functions.

Here’s a lovely snippet:

We might liken the introverted functions to a concentrated drop of ink and the extraverted functions to that same drop dissolved in a glass of water.

What's Your Animal Personality Type?

Just for fun.

his hands are alien to him and his body unfamiliar.

Thomas King, Jung’s Four and Some Philosophers, writes of the Introverted Intuitive.

kangaclubs:

If you want to read further

INTJ vs INFJ

I found an awesome description on the differences between INTJs and INFJs on this blog - you should check it out. It also talks about the cognitive functions in a different way than I have read before too so it may help those who still aren’t that familiar with them.

Yet Another List of MBTI Profiles, the Star Trek Version

The INFJ profile was pretty accurate for me… What about you guys?

What’s My Personality?

taken from here