This might be of interest to anyone who wants to learn more about the functions! Check it out!
If you don’t know who Dr Nardi is or why that is important, click the link to find out.
This might be of interest to anyone who wants to learn more about the functions! Check it out!
If you don’t know who Dr Nardi is or why that is important, click the link to find out.
A friend of mine said something to me that both Quel and I have both noticed but can’t seem to explain, I’m wondering if anyone else might be able to…?
Anyway, my friend said that Perceivers are more affectionate and open than Judgers on the whole.
I totally agree with this, but I have no idea why. Anyone?
There are all sorts of opinions written in here, it’s an interesting read.
posted by littlemegan and found here:
If “T” prioritizes what is factually right or correct, “F” prioritizes what is ideologically right or best — not T = “rational” vs. F =”emotional.” Focusing on F, is your ideology relative [Fe], or is your ideology universal [Fi]?
Suppose someone is upset over a breakup. Is your response: “What will help this single person deal with this particular break up? [Fe]” or “Let’s figure out the ideal way to deal with break ups! [Fi]”?
Fe has a descriptivist preoccupation: What is this person doing? How does he/she feel?
Fe is more likely to care about people as individuals. They probably tend to listen. They care about happiness — currently. This is why Fe people are known as the harmonizers and collaborators. They are flexible and willing to adapt their beliefs to the current situation. You will find Fe people saying that they act completely differently around different people; for example: they might be willing to tell a racist joke with Barney but will decry racist jokes with Fran, and if Barney and Fran are in the same room, they will change the subject. Fe might be better at expressing and sharing feelings in the moment. Fe people may tend to enjoy interaction for the opportunity to see things from a different point of view and experience life vicariously through another person’s choices. They are always asking, “How can I make this moment the best moment it can be for everyone involved?”
Fi has a prescriptivist preoccupation: What should people do? Why do they feel a certain way?
Fi is more likely to care about people as a population. They probably tend to give advice. They care about happiness — generally. This is why Fi people are… Gandhi. They are willing to confront, argue, and fight for their beliefs. They only modify their ideology deliberately. If Fi people don’t like racist jokes, they will never like racist jokes, unless someone convinces them to like racist jokes, and then they will always like racist jokes — and so should everyone else. Fi might tend to bottle their actual emotions until they have evaluated them through their ideology and deemed them worthy. Fi people may enjoy interaction for the opportunity to admire someone and learn lessons about life vicariously through another person’s choices. They are always asking, “What is there to gain from this that will refine my philosophy of life or make me a better person?”
If Fe is all about community, Fi is all about integrity. If Fe is about socialization, Fi is about moralization. If Fe cares about your day, Fi cares about your character.
Opinions? Thoughts? Anyone?
Here’s a lovely snippet:
We might liken the introverted functions to a concentrated drop of ink and the extraverted functions to that same drop dissolved in a glass of water.
The INFJ profile was pretty accurate for me… What about you guys?
There seems to be a lot of general hate on the MBTI tags lately. Either one type hates another or people are just bashing MBTI.
I really don’t know why people would waste time typing their rant posts, then tagging the type they hate on that rant post. Why on earth did you ever think that would be a good idea?
I also don’t understand people who bash MBTI using fallacies like straw man or those who bash it with very little understanding on what it’s about.
Anyway, I think some people need reminding that personality is not attitude and attitude is not personality. Attitudes towards you depend on who you are and not because of that person’s personality. So, I try to be nice to almost everyone, but if I am consistently rude to you, it’s because I think you’re an idiot who deserves such treatment based on your past actions.
Maybe that should clear up why it’s a stupid idea to generalise people of a certain type based on interactions with one person from that type.
So I have finally started lectures. It seems like my American counterparts started months ago… Anyway, I suspect my Ethics professor is an INTP. There have only been two Ethics lectures but in them I always get super lost and confused and now I think I know why…
His lessons aren’t structured methodically in a Ni fashion, by that I mean in a way that one point follows on logically to the next. He occasionally links different ideas in the most random places and not always do his points follow on from each other. Sometimes he even repeats the same ideas in different places. Or, he will say the same idea, in different ways, at different points during his talk.
It’s a fucking nightmare for me as a Ni user. I get super confused then give up, zone out and start day dreaming.
Then I have to go home and spend hours reading through the lecture notes again and rewriting his notes in a way that is easier for me to understand. That is often by restructuring it and laying out my own methodical way of approaching the ideas he presents in class.
It’s annoying, but I think to save myself the time, I will try and read the lecture notes before class so I know what to expect and then maybe I’ll feel less lost during lectures. Unfortunately, he only puts lecture notes on the internet after the lecture. I might have to have words with him.
Or does anyone else have some tips that they might like to share?
This video is to help me explain the method of finding anyone’s functions quickly and easily without memorizing each individual psychological type’s functions. All you need is their MBTI type!
This video assumes you have a little knowledge of cognitive functions.
Hope you find it useful.
Or you could just watch this video… This explains how to switch MBTI code to Function stacks.
(taken from this reddit thread.)
I recently received a private message asking about how to convert the four letter type codes (e.g. ESFJ) into a function stack (e.g. Fe > Si > Ne > Ti). Instead of responding in that medium, I decided that this information might be appreciated by a wider audience. This has provided me with a convenient excuse to write a crap load of text.
A typical person’s introduction to the MBTI types is likely to take the form of being given a four-letter code after taking some (probably terrible) test, and a link to a description of that type. Upon scouring the internet for articles about that type, one will come across statements such as “the ESFJ has introverted thinking as its inferior function”, which may seem arcane at first glance; it certainly seemed that way to me.
Carl Jung created a model of personality involving four cognitive functions: thinking, feeling, sensing, and intuition. These are grouped in pairs: the judging functions (thinking and feeling), and the perceiving functions (sensing and intuition). In addition, each of these functions can be pointed outward (extraverted) and inward (introverted), for a total of eight oriented functions. Each person exercises all eight of these, and tends to prefer some over the rest. One’s relative preferences among these functions is used to determine one’s personality type.
Function Stack Axioms
Without any restrictions, we could order the eight oriented functions in 8! = 40320 ways. That’s a lot of potential personality types. Fortunately for those of us that don’t want to remember 40320 things, the space of function orderings has been reduced to 16 by some restrictions whose theoretical justifications I don’t really understand (or feel comfortable with).
- The first two functions are a judging function and a perceiving function, in some order.
- The first two functions are an extraverted function and an introverted function, in some order.
- The position of every other function is determined by the first two (details to follow).
Here’s an example: the INTP type corresponds to a function ordering with introverted thinking (Ti) as its first (“dominant”) function, and extraverted intuition (Ne) as its second (“auxiliary”) function.
Four Letter Codes
The four letter codes present a headache for those who prefer to think of personality types in function orderings, because they don’t map to these orderings in a very elegant manner. On the other hand, the four letter codes do map very well to the methodology of most personality tests. On the gripping hand, people who prefer to think in terms of function orderings also tend to think that most personality tests are terrible.
In any case, each letter of the four-letter code tells you something about the function ordering for that type. Specifically, it tells you about the dominant and auxiliary functions (from which you can deduce the subsequent functions).
- E vs I: One of your first two functions is extraverted, and one is introverted; this tells you which of those two is dominant.
- N vs S: One of your first two functions is a perceiving function (intuition or sensing); this tells you which of the two perceiving functions it is.
- F vs T: One of your first two functions is a judging function (feeling or thinking); this tells you which of the two judging functions it is.
- J vs P: Either your preferred judging function is extraverted, or your preferred perceiving function is extraverted; this tells you which one it is.
Converting: FLC -> FS
Given a four letter code, one can use the letters to determine the dominant and auxiliary functions (and thus the whole function stack). We’re going to use ESFJ as an example.
Probably the best place to start is the middle two letters; these indicate what the first two functions are, though without providing any information about their orientation or ordering. In the case of ESFJ, those functions are Sensing (a perceiving function) and Feeling (a judging function).
We can determine the orientations of the first two functions by consulting the last letter. That will indicate which of them is extraverted. In the case of ESFJ, the the J indicates that the preferred judging function (Feeling) is extraverted. This leaves the preferred perceiving function (Sensing) as introverted. So now we know that the first two functions are Fe and Si, in some order.
Finally, we can use the first letter to determine the order of our first two function. In the case of ESFJ, the E indicates that the extraverted member of the pair is first (i.e. dominant); that means that Fe is dominant, and Si is auxiliary.
Converting: FS -> FLC
Similarly, one can take a given function stack and convert it into a four letter code. Here we are going to use as an example the personality type whose dominant function is Ti and whose auxiliary function is Ne.
The first letter indicates the orientation of the dominant function. In our example, that function (Ti) is introverted, so the first letter will be ‘I’.
The second and third letters indicate the preferred perceiving and judging functions. In our example, the preferred perceiving function is iNtuition (N), and the preferred judging function is Thinking (T). Therefore, the middle two letters will be ‘NT’.
The fourth function indicates whether the preferred judging or the preferred perceiving function is extraverted. In our example, the preferred perceiving function (iNtuition) is extraverted, so the fourth letter will be ‘P’.
Hence, our example personality type is INTP.
The Tertiary and Inferior Functions
This is apparently a source of some controversy between students of Myers-Briggs and students of Carl Jung. The typical MBTI model has alternating orientations for the first four functions (ieie or eiei), whereas some students of Jung maintain that the auxiliary, tertiary, and inferior functions all share the same orientation, that being the opposite of the orientation of the dominant function (ieee or eiii). For the purposes of this document, the MBTI model will be assumed.
The tertiary (third) function is the opposite of the auxiliary (second) function, in the sense that it (a) is the other member of the judging/perceiving category, and (b) has the opposite orientation. For example, and ESFJ has Si as its auxiliary function, and thus Ne as its tertiary function (S is a perceiving function, and the other perceiving function is N).
The inferior (fourth) function has the same relation to the dominant (first) function as the tertiary does to the auxiliary; pick the other member of the class and reverse the orientation. So an ESFJ with a dominant Fe will have an inferior Ti.
Here are the two examples we’ve seen so far:
- ESFJ: Fe > Si > Ne > Ti
- INTP: Ti > Ne > Si > Fe
The Other Four Functions
Recall that there are eight oriented functions, and that we’ve only provided orderings for four of them (one orientation each for F,T,S,N). One might ask what happened to the rest of them. These are often called the “shadow functions”, and occupy positions 5-8 in the function ordering. If you take the first four functions in order, and flip their orientations, then you attain the order of the last four functions.
- ESFJ: Fe > Si > Ne > Ti > Fi > Se > Ni > Te
- INTP: Ti > Ne > Si > Fe > Te > Ni > Se > Fi
If you’re interested in why the shadow functions are ordered the way that they are, and what role they play in one’s personality, then ask somebody else. I haven’t paid much attention to the matter.
Congratulations go out to anyone who managed to read the whole thing without falling asleep or getting distracted.
I haven’t really read much on this website so to be honest I am taking it with a pinch of salt because of that, but it’s an interesting read nonetheless!
Why you want one: They’ll sit-inside-and-read-Dostoevsky-with-you-on-a-rainy-day, they’re good curators of interests and they’ll find something interesting to do and plan the whole date out (to the second).
Spoiler Alert: Icy-cold exterior.
Where to find one: Any independent or used bookstore in a trendy neighborhood on a Friday night. Typically they’ll be there before heading to a small divey but not too divey bar to have a moderately pretentious microbrew with their one other friend.
Pickup technique: Ask them about Rilke, social justice, chai tea.
Why you want one: They’re warm, friendly, and very concerned about your happiness.
Spoiler Alert: You’ll always be surrounded by a lot of people, not really for homebodies.
Where to find one: At a party they are hosting for their friends in their home. They’re busy making sure everyone is happy, and stressing out about nonexistent riffs between their guests.
Pickup technique: Ask to help, compliment how much fun everyone is having. Tell them some juicy gossip. Try not to feel bad when they have to give attention to all the other plebey party guests.
Why you want one: Know Jeremy Piven in Entourage? Sometimes it just feels good to be around an asshole.
Spoiler Alert: Followed to its logical conclusion, this personality type can also be called ‘sociopathic.’
Where to find one: The clubbiest of clubs, near edge of the dancefloor where they’re looking to shove their tongue down someones throat for awhile and then have some aggressive sex before they leave without saying anything.
Pickup technique: Maybe the easiest to pickup, just try to look good and get in their line of vision. Be aggressive.
Why you want one: Not really sure you do? Maybe you’re an ISTP or ISTJ yourself. Maybe you have really low self esteem and don’t feel like you ‘deserve’ someone interesting.
Spoiler Alert: Boring. Probably cares about things like ‘baking’ and ‘crafting.’
Where to find one: Jesus, I don’t even know, doing something really boring by themselves. Buying tax prep software at Best Buy? On a long solo walk in the woods?
Pickup technique: Is anyone really interested in this?
Why you want one: Might be a more reliable fuck buddy than an ESTP.
Spoiler Alert: Kind of boring, possibly sexually attracted to day planners.
Where to find one: Out with their friends, policing the fun.
Pickup technique: Make a really boring and unnecessary statement about the progress of the night. Show them your day planner + coding system.
Why you want one: Passionate, unpredictable, absolutely always interesting.
Spoiler Alert: Not loyal to people or ideologies. One day it’s yoga, the next it’s kickboxing. One day it’s Theravada Buddhism, the next it’s Assemblies of God. This applies to their romantic life.
Where to find one: The clubbiest of clubs, in the middle of the dancefloor, possibly on X.
Pickup technique: Wear some bright colors, talk about how you bathed in the Ganges to get salvation, give them drugs, promise to get tantric. Beware of passionate yet very sloppy kisses.
Why you want one: They’ll read you poetry and rub your back while you fall asleep, they have the most comfortable beds.
Spoiler Alert: May suffocate you with intensity. May cry during a commercial for McDonald’s.
Where to find one: Getting existential at some dive bar with a small but intense looking group of people who all look remotely like someone who used to babysit you.
Pickup technique: Say you think care ethics is an overlooked school of thought or that you ‘really resonate’ with Joni Mitchell or anything else deep + nice sounding.
Why you want one: They’re warm, easy to like, and fun to be around.
Spoiler Alert: They are only ever motivated by what will get them the most amounts of attention possible. This gets old.
Where to find one: Hanging with their bros at a bar, being as loud as possible, telling hilarious jokes, bein’ a bro.
Pickup technique: Challenge them to a game. Preferably fetch, as there is no distinguishable difference between an ESFP and a labrador retriever.
Why you want one: They’re the perfect person to talk about your work dramz with over a game of tennis. They’re smiley and cute and really good at interior decorating.
Spoiler Alert: They don’t mature past the age of 15.
Where to find one: Hanging with their one bro at a bar, probably not talking but smiling and and genuinely enjoying themselves.
Pickup technique: Talk about animals and/or children. Make a comment about aesthetics in some capacity, except don’t use the word ‘aesthetics’ because they won’t know what it means.
Why you want one: They’re really smart and make up for being awkward + not really sexy by having a lot of interesting things to say.
Spoiler Alert: You’ll get tired of them making jokes about ninjas and Lord of the Rings. Probable addiction to World of Warcraft.
Where to find one: At their friend’s house drinking whiskey Cokes and watching Shark Week on the Discovery Channel.
Pickup technique: Wear something slutty + talk about science/robots/the singularity.
Why you want one: They have the best circle of smart and interesting friends, they’re laidback, they give great advice.
Spoiler Alert: They’ll never put another person ahead of their own interests, self-involved.
Where to find one: Out with their friends at a bar they take issue with for one reason or another (cf: hipster), but enjoying themselves as long as everyone knows they’re too smart for whatever beneath-them drinking game is going on.
Pickup technique: Intersperse non-sequitor jokes and puns with douchey statements like ‘Thomas Pynchon is the only funny postmoderist.’
Why you want one: It’s kind of intoxicating to be around someone this smart and serious. It’s really sexy for as long as you can go without getting compliments/any affirmation that they like you back.
Spoiler Alert: Oblivious misers.
Where to find one: Home alone, reading something really interesting, generally not giving a fuck.
Pickup technique: Figure out what they’re interested in and make insightful comments. Don’t expect any affirmation or acknowledgment that they heard you.
Why you want one: They’ll give you great advice and push you to follow through on it.
Spoiler Alert: Loud talkers, stubborn, make black-and-white decisions.
Where to find one: At a weird event with their friends. Like ‘Julius and Ethel Rosenberg discussion group’ type weird. They’re the one taking notes or serving a pretentious dish.
Pickup techniques: Make aggressive but smart statements. Talk about why you’re right. Use historical examples but also throw in something about Aqua Teen Hunger Force.
Why you want one: Literally your standard bro or prototypical ‘wife material.’
Spoiler alert: They’re not that interesting. They’re mega-sensitive but not likely to be able to communicate why. And not in the brooding, artsy way, in the self-righteous way.
Where to find one: Hanging with their bros, they’re the one with their cell clipped to their belt and their shirt tucked in.
Pickup techniques: Tell them why their sports team of choice ‘deserved’ to make the playoffs because they really ‘wanted it.’
**This is supposed to be a joke, for those who don’t know :) ~Brit